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If a user with VM operation enabled runs clones of the same VM on different PCs/Macs in different locations, will LimeLM report multiple IP addresses for the same license key, assuming the different VMs are being used in different locations, and hence different IP addresses?

Nov 15permalink
Answer

No. IP addresses are informational, it's not used for anything useful. They're at best a interesting tid-bit of information that might (or might not) tell you approximately the request is taking place from.

Hardware fingerprints are used for locking software to machines. Use TurboFloat on VMs (or on real machine that you want floating licensing for). Use TurboActivate on only real machines.

Covered in many articles:

Nov 15, edited Nov 15permalink

Sorry, I was asking a general question - not looking to use the information for anything specific to do with licensing.

The question was based on the IP addresses reported normally, so I do have to ask the same question again, as the answer provided seems to have made more assumptions than intended.

If a user with VM operation enabled runs clones of the same VM on different PCs/Macs in different locations, will LimeLM report multiple (informational) IP addresses for the same license key?

Or to put it a simpler way, will LimeLM show/indicate that the license ‘may’ be being used in multiple locations?

Nov 15permalink

Or to put it a simpler way, will LimeLM show/indicate that the license ‘may’ be being used in multiple locations?
 

Nope. And it’s covered in those articles, which are a why I linked them.

Nov 15permalink

I have now re-read every word on the articles linked to.

They do not answer my question.

So, to ask it in yet another different way, what will the Dashboard > View Product Key pages show with respect to different PCs/Macs using a cloned VM if the PCs/Macs are connected to the internet via different IP addresses? Will multiple, different, IP addresses be shown in such a situation?

Nov 18permalink

Dashboard > View Product Key pages show with respect to different PCs/Macs using a cloned VM if the PCs/Macs are connected to the internet via different IP addresses?

No.

Will multiple, different, IP addresses be shown in such a situation?

No.

Nov 18permalink

Thank you for the response.

Can you please explain why different IP addresses would not be displayed for any systems connected via a different IP address?

Nov 19permalink

Because IP addresses are not useful. And we treat them as such.

Nov 19permalink

I am struggling with your responses…

I am not asking for any guarantees, and have no intent to use IP addresses for anything.

But, when we have a single license that is ‘allowed’ to be uses on multiple PCs the Dashboard does show the individual IP addresses for each installation.

Why EXACTLY would that not happen with cloned VMs? Please explain in detail, rather than as per your previous limited responses.

This is a genuine request for information and support.

Nov 19permalink
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Why EXACTLY would that not happen with cloned VMs? Please explain in detail, rather than as per your previous limited responses.

I covered this above: https://wyday.com/forum/t/18930/vm-enabled-running-clones-of-the-same-vm-on-different-pcsmacs/#post-40052

Cloned VMs are treated as the same machine. Because they are. They use a single activation but the cloned machine can be cloned infinite times.

Solution (again, covered above) use TurboFloat for VMs.

Nov 19permalink

Sorry - you are still not answering my specific question, which I have now asked in a number of different ways.

If the ‘clones’ are connected via different IP addresses, will the different IP addresses be displayed in the Dashboard for each different connection?

If not, please explain why not, as this is exactly what happens presently with any license that is deliberately enabled for multiple PC activations.

What would be different? Please explain in detail.

Nov 20permalink

IP address seciton is stands for “IP Address the activation made from”.

Since you activate once and copy the VM to somewhere else and run it, the IP addreess will not change i guess.

Nov 21permalink
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If the ‘clones’ are connected via different IP addresses, will the different IP addresses be displayed in the Dashboard for each different connection?

Answered above. No.

If not, please explain why not, as this is exactly what happens presently with any license that is deliberately enabled for multiple PC activations.

Because activation on real machines happens on different machines. With different machine fingerprints. Along with the real machine fingerprint (the part that matters) we also collect less useful things like “extra data” and IP address.

Yes, for real machine activations IP addresses are also (a) informational and (b) useless.

You're looking at the "activation list" and seeing a bunch of different entries. Those entries are there because they're activated on different machines with different machine fingerprints. The IP addresses all could be the same and it wouldn't matter.

I've said this at least 3 times in this thread: to “activate” separate VM instances, use TurboFloat.

Also, everything I wrote here is in the articles I already linked too. Except in those articles we cover it more in-depth. Hence linking to them rather than trying to sum up something we already spent time and money working on.

Nov 21permalink

“I've said this at least 3 times in this thread: to “activate” separate VM instances, use TurboFloat.”

And we (along with many others) have been asking when LicenseChest, hosted TurboFloat Server instances, will be available, as promised for the first quarter this year…

https://wyday.com/forum/t/4624/license-chest/#post-29809

But, you still seem to be confusing the interest in if different IP addresses would be shown with some form of license control - that is not the case.
We are simply interested if multiplre IP address 'could' be shown, and if so, under what circumstances.
 

So to ask the same question, in a totally different way, as one of the ‘extra data’ options, can the active IP address be reported when the software does a ‘call home’, showing a list of the different IP addresses as each new IP address is seen? Just for interest you understand.

Nov 25permalink
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But, you still seem to be confusing the interest in if different IP addresses would be shown with some form of license control - that is not the case.
We are simply interested if multiplre IP address 'could' be shown, and if so, under what circumstances.

No.

So to ask the same question, in a totally different way, as one of the ‘extra data’ options, can the active IP address be reported when the software does a ‘call home’, showing a list of the different IP addresses as each new IP address is seen?

No. We have no plans to add this. It has limited usefulness.

And we (along with many others) have been asking when LicenseChest, hosted TurboFloat Server instances, will be available, as promised for the first quarter this year…

It’ll be out ASAP. We won’t report when it will be out based on internal roadmaps (anymore). Every time we try to estimate based on internal roadmaps and tell people we regret it.

Internal roadmaps have changed.

It’ll be out when it’s out.

You can use TF / TFS without LicenseChest. It has been for a decade. See the many posts where we talk about the options.

Nov 25permalink